Because of the bridge, there is a limit to the size of cruise ship that can come into Baltimore. I thought that might make for the fairest possible comparison between two ships across different lines. Please keep in mind that while I have attempted to be as comprehensive and unbiased as possible, this is from
my perspective. As a result, some items (e.g. youth program) I reviewed may have no relevance to you while other items (all-inclusive drink package) I didn't review at all may be extremely important to you.
Many times where I say "on the Pride/Grandeur", the statement is true across the entire Carnival/Royal line but I have stuck with this usage specifically because I do not know enough to know which is specific just to the ship and which isn't.
About Me: I am in my early 40's and cruise with my wife and two daughters (ages 10 and 12). I primarily cruise Carnival because of the cost to value factor but we have no brand loyalty and all three cruises booked in 2018 are on 3 different lines (Carnival, Royal Caribbean, Norwegian). Besides cost, I choose cruises based on itineraries as I like to go to at least one new place each time I cruise which is hard to do without also leaving from new ports each time.
Ship Factoids - Completed: Pride = 2001, Grandeur = 1996
- Last Upgraded: Pride = 2014, Grandeur = 2017
- State rooms: Pride = 1062, Grandeur = 1142
- Passengers: Pride = 2124, Grandeur = 2446
Cruise Cost I'm a deal hunter and, in both cases, the cruise was booked at least 9 months in advance and the price was monitored daily for price drops. The prices below are per person per day keeping in mind a family of 4 sharing a single interior cabin.
- Cruise Fare Including Taxes/Fees: Pride = $58.54, Grandeur = $66.13
- Daily Gratuities: Pride = $12.95, Grandeur = $14.50
- Add-on Gratuity: Pride = 15%, Grandeur = 18%
I will cover the cost of specific items like room service separately. The add-on gratuity is here because I didn't really have anywhere else to fit it but if you order a drink at a show or eat in the specialty dining, this reflects what will be tacked on to the bill automatically on the respective ships.
The $9.14 a day difference may not seem like much but for a family of 4 over a week adds up to $255.92
Cabin Size/Amenities An interior cabin for 4 passengers was compared. The Carnival Pride is a slightly larger ship but has fewer cabins and can accommodate fewer passengers. This was very apparent in the size of the cabin as it seemed luxuriously spacious in comparison to the Grandeur. The Pride has a mini-fridge where as the Grandeur does not. The Grandeur has a flat screen TV on an adjustable wall mount while the Pride still has a big old CRT TV. You can find the average square footage by searching online but I don't think it will really help to appreciate just how tiny the Grandeur rooms were in comparison.
Internet Internet at sea sucks which is nowhere more apparent than on the Carnival Pride. That being said, the cost for their value plan when booked in advance is $4 per day. On the Grandeur, the price was $15.95 per day. At that price, surely it was going to be blazing fast in comparison right?
WRONG I only got a 24 hour pass and after the first hour, I went to customer service to cancel and get a refund. I talked to several people who said the same thing (no coverage in the cabin, only works when everyone else is asleep, etc.) but I also talked to someone who said he was video chatting on a daily basis so I will just leave this with a
caveat emptor Technology The Carnival Pride has the Carnival Hub App which is a game changer. This free phone app gives you access to your stateroom charges, deck plans, activity guide, menus, etc. An optional capability for a one time fee of $5 for the entire cruise, allows you to chat with other guests on the ship. With younger children, this was huge. And because it was only local communication (no satellite uplink required), it was fast and reliable. Apparently RC has a similar app but it isn't available on the Grandeur.
The Grandeur has touch screen displays at the stairs on each deck which allows you to get an activity guide, see today's menu as well as map out how to get to something on the ship. This was really cool and the Pride didn't have this though it was available from the Hub App.
The Carnival Pride had a number of kiosks through-out the ship where you could check your room charges as well as on the TV in your room and the Hub App but the Grandeur had none of these - you had to go to Guest Services and get a print out each time (what a waste of paper).
The Grandeur had self-service soda machines for people who purchased the soda package but the Pride does not.
Gift Cards This may seem like an odd thing to review but as I mentioned before, I am a value shopper and can get gift cards for at least 10% off which is a significant savings. Online and on the Pride, I could use a gift card to pay for anything (cruise fare, taxes, gratuities, excursions, etc.) and the process was easy - just enter the gift card information. The Grandeur was excruciating painful in comparison. When the gift certificates arrived in the mail, I discovered that I had to hand write information and then mail them back to Royal and that it could only be applied towards the base cruise fare. Once received, Royal then marked my account as being handled by a travel agent (I'm not making this up) which meant I could no longer have full control of my account online and had to call and explain each time any time I wanted to make a change.
Bring Your Own WateJuice/Soda I'm not covering alcohol but I believe both ships allow each adult guest over the age of 21 to bring on a certain size bottle of wine/champagne.
Carnival Pride's official policy is that each guest, regardless of age is allowed to bring 12 cans/cartons of juice/soda/sparkling water. These must be placed in your carry-on luggage. Bottles (plastic/glass) are specifically prohibited.
The Grandeur's official policy is that no outside drinks are allowed aside from the alcohol allowance mentioned previously. In practice, they seem to look the other way for bottled water.
Effectively, you can bring bottled water on the Grandeur but not the Pride. You can bring 12 cans/cartons per person of juice/soda on the Pride but not the Grandeur.
Both ships make medically necessary allowances (you can bring on distilled water for a CPAP machine for instance).
Food/Dining We always get "early dining" but both ships offered 3 options (early, late, my-time). The only difference to note was that early dining is 6 PM on the Pride but is 5:30 PM on the Grandeur.
The quality of the food in the main dining was great on both ships. The service in main dining is also excellent on both ships. The only difference between the two was the options offered. On the Pride, there is a section for "rare finds" where you might get to try something that you might not otherwise have such as frog legs or rabbit. On the Pride, there is also a section for "local" which is representative of whichever port you just departed from (Caribbean jerked chicken for instance). The Grandeur didn't have these on the menu and by the end of the cruise, the offerings seemed repetitive.
The buffet dining is a different story all together. The Windjammer on the Grandeur is tiny in comparison to the Pride's Lido. This was problematic for two reasons. First, seating. Second, offerings. The Pride has a ton of places where you can tell someone what you want and how you want it and they will make it for you (Blue Iguana for tacos/burritos/fajitas, Guy's Burger's for hamburgers, The Deli for hot/cold sandwiches, the Pizza Pirate for pizza, etc.) as well as a number of cuisine specific self-serve (my wife loves the Asian food from Chopsticks). On the Grandeur, I didn't really see any made-to-order food options in the Windjammer except for breakfast at the omelet making station which the Pride also has.
While I have tried a number of specialty dining options on a number of ships/lines, the only equivalent specialty dining that I experienced on both ships was the sushi restaurants (Pride = Bonsai, Grandeur = Izumi). Both were excellent. I think the Grandeur had the edge in terms of range of offering but the Pride had two options that I thought were unique. First, there is a "boat for two" for $22 which comes out on a literal boat and was too much for my wife and I to finish. Second, they had a "surprise and delight" feature (again, $22 for two) which was the chef's choice. Again, I think the Grandeur had a wider selection of options but the a la carte pricing was a bit more.
EDIT: My wife just informed me of one other difference which I was unaware of as I skipped the second formal night on the Grandeur. On the Pride, when they had lobster and filet mignon on the menu, she was allowed to order as many as she wanted. On the Grandeur, she was told only one lobster tail per guest. Because I didn't come to dinner that night, she ordered one for me and then ate two.
Excursions Since this is a highly personal choice, it is hard to provide any meaningful comparison but there are two things worth pointing out. On the Pride, excursion prices are fairly stable and you likely will not see any discounts unless you follow John Heald and find one of the rare promo codes. On the Grandeur, the prices seemed to change all the time and every week I was getting an email offering a certain percentage off different excursions. I'm not sure either is superior but as they are different, I wanted to point them out. The second thing I wanted to mention I struggled if I should include or not as it has more to do with itinerary. The Pride tends to arrive at port early in the morning and depart around early dining giving you quite awhile to book whatever excursion you want. The Grandeur had weird arrival/departure times which made excursions more difficult to plan. Nassau for instance (Pride 8AM - 5PM, Grandeur 1PM - 11:59PM).
Entertainment Kids: I couldn't keep my youngest daughter out of the youth program on either ship so I would say they are equivalent. Both ships have an arcade as well as age designated areas and lots of things for the kids to do. That is where the equivalency ends as Carnival wins this category hands down. On the Grandeur, kids are not allowed in the first row of shows and in the first 3 rows must be accompanied by an adult. On the Pride, every comedian must have a family friendly show in addition to the adult only show. The Pride has two water slides and a Splash Zone. The Grandeur has a rock climbing wall. The Pride has a ton of family targeted entertainment such as Hasbro The Game show where as the Grandeur seemed to tolerate those under 16. The Pride had events such as the Dr. Seuss breakfast ($5 per person) and Build-A-Bear where as I don't remember a single thing like that on the Grandeur.
Adults/General: The Grandeur only had 1 location where it put on shows (The Palladium) which is a two deck theater. On the Pride, there were two locations - the Butterfly lounge which doubled as the Punchliner Comedy Club and the Taj Mahal which is a three deck theater. The Grandeur did shows with a live band which it called an orchestra. The downside to this was they took up a lot of space which limited the size of the performance of whatever act was performing. On the Pride, they put on shows that use moving floors, backdrops with projected scenes as well, pyrotechnics as well as raised/lowered floors. None of that was possible on the Grandeur. On the Grandeur, there only ever seemed to be a single show that was repeated twice to accommodate differences in dining times. On the Pride, there seemed to be multiple different shows every night where the one in the main theater was repeated. For instance, there might have been three comedy routines in the Punchliner (1 family friendly by the first comedian, a later adult only by a second comedian and then the last show would be another adult only by the same comedian as the family friendly). That same night, they might have a magician in the main Taj Majal theater perform the same act twice.
Laundry On the Grandeur, you need to check towels in/out using your sea pass card where there is a $25 charge for any towel not returned. These are roughly the same size as the bath towels - just colored blue. On the Pride, 4 towels are in your state room (more available upon request) and are giant beach towels. The cost if one is lost is $22. Oddly enough, you may also buy a brand new one for $22 if you want one to keep (they are nice towels).
The Pride has self-service launderettes on nearly every deck. The price recently went up to $3.25 to wash and $3.25 to dry for a total of $6.50 to do a load of laundry ($8 if you also need to buy detergent but we bring our own pods). The Grandeur doesn't offer any self-service laundry and charges $34.99 to do a small bag of laundry.
Room Service Continental breakfast is free on both the Pride and the Grandeur. The only notable difference is the hours (Pride = 5AM-10AM, Grandeur = 6AM-11AM).
Room service is $7.95 + 18% gratuity on the Grandeur. It is more complicated on the Pride due to recent changes. The Pride stopped offering complimentary room service 24 hours a day but expanded the menu. From 6 AM until 10 PM, there are still complimentary room service items available but it now offers several other items during this time that range from $2 to $6. From 10 PM until 6 AM, an expanded menu is available with items ranging from $2 to $6.
Miscellaneous I like beer - different styles of beer. The Pride doesn't have a lot of craft beer options. The Grandeur didn't have any. I ended up drinking Newcastle the entire Grandeur trip. On the Pride, I at least had a handful of options.
The Pride does not change the clock to match local times when in port but the Grandeur does. I watched both systems cause problems with other guests and do not feel one is superior to another. The important thing to remember is that even though you are on "island time", you must remain vigilant if you are supposed to be in a certain place at a certain time.
Trivia on the Pride is on the honor system (self-scoring) where as you are instructed to swap sheets on the Grandeur. The Pride gives out "ships on a stick" and sometimes medals as prizes where the Grandeur gives out a wide range of items (pens, highlighters, key chains, carabiner, etc.).
Both ships have a section of the casino marked as non-smoking. Until the Grandeur, I thought that was like saying you have a non-peeing section in the pool. I was so surprised on the Grandeur of the lack of smoke smell that I actually played black-jack several times. This was not the case on the Pride where I would actually go up a deck just to avoid walking through it.
On the Grandeur, while in port, my daughter couldn't sign herself in/out of the youth program despite my authorization that she could do so. I can't remember if this was also the case on the Pride. I think we may have only noticed this again because of the weird port arrival/departure times.
The Pride had a dedicated "game" room, library and chapel. If the Grandeur had these things, I didn't find them but they did have a bookcase that served as their library.
The Pride has bathrobes available upon request for any category cabin and any loyalty level guest. The Grandeur only has bathrobes available for higher level cabin categories/loyalty levels.
I have only cruised on the Grandeur once but towel animals didn't seem to be important. On the Pride, we had a new animal every single night in our room but on the Grandeur it seemed to be once every few nights. On the Pride, one morning the entire Lido deck was covered in towel animals - in extremely creative ways. Nothing like it happened on the Grandeur. This may not seem like much but the kids were kind of let down.
This really isn't about the ships so I hesitated to add it but I feel it is an important distinction. Royal's website is a hot mess compared to Carnival's.
Closing Thoughts While the Pride provides much better value dollar for dollar, we had a great time on both ships and would go on either again for the right price/itinerary.
If I didn't cover something that you want to know about, please ask. Both ship's have "The Quest" for instance which I didn't cover but would be happy to discuss if someone wants to know more.
Please stay out of the Moore Area If you are looking for Family Members or are trying to let your family know you are safe you can visit Redcross Safe & Well and list yourself or look for someone. Safe & Well To offer manpower goto Moore.Recovers.org A Red Cross training session for volunteers May 21st at 10am or 2pm at the Red Cross Central Oklahoma office (601 NE 6th St, Oklahoma City, OK In times like these, we all want to help in some form or fashion. This is what makes us Okies. We pull together in time of disasters.
With that said, a note to remember. Unless you live in the effected area. Stay away. At least until the Emergency/1st responders have cleared the area. It is very hard to get EM vehicles through these areas. So....
If you want to help. The best things you can do is to donate to the Red Cross, Salvation Army, and the Southern Baptist.
Things they need.
- Blankets
- Bottle Water
- Snack Foods
- Diapers
- Etc.
Here are the groups and some locations that are accepting donations
- Red Cross is accepting monetary donations. Checks made payable to American Red Cross can be sent to: American Red Cross of Central Oklahoma, Dept. No. 96-0397, Oklahoma City, OK 73196-0397. For other ways to donate, call 228-9500 or go online to www.okc.redcross.org. To donate $10 via phone text message, text RED CROSS to 90999.
- The Oklahoma Baptist Disaster Relief Team is accepting donations. Team leaders said 100 percent of the money goes to disaster victims. Send donations to: Oklahoma Baptist Disaster Relief, 3800 N May, Oklahoma City, OK 73112. To make a donation online, go to www.bgco.org.
- Salvation Army Donation Link to donate $10 via phone text message, Text STORM to 80888
- Oklahoma Tornado Victims Relief Fund sponsored by Cumulus radio Giveforward
- The Regional Food Bank providing meals to victims. http://www.regionalfoodbank.org/donate to donate $10 via phone text message, text FOOD to 32333
- nited Way of Central Oklahoma Relief Fund http://www.unitedwayokc.org/
- Oklahoma Blood Institute Always could use blood donors. Plus the blood stays in Oklahoma.
- News9 Donation Center - A donation center has been setup at News9 7401 N. Kelly OKC. They are lookign for shovels, work gloves, boots, trash bags, dust masks, sunscreen, toiletries and above all cash donations. All goes to Red Cross
- Edmond Schools are now accepting donations
- Edmond North (215 W Danforth Rd Edmond, OK 73003) accepting bottled water
- Edmond Santa Fe (1901 W 15th St Edmond, OK 7301) accepting Canned Food
- Edmond Memorial (1000 E 15th St Edmond, OK 73013) accepting Clothing
- Tumbleweeds in Stillwater is now taking donations.
- By George Tavern 901 NW 64th St, Oklahoma City, OK 73116 is now taking donations.
- City Rescue Mission 800 West California Avenue. Oklahoma City is now taking donations.
- 19th Hole in Stillwater is now taking donations.
- The Cimarron Alliance Equality Center at 5613 N May Ave. is taking donations.
- Norman Post Main Office Accepting Red Cross Donations.
- 1st Baptist Church Nicoma Park 1931 Nichols Drive, Nicoma Park accepting relief supplies.
- Feed the Children Accepting donations from 8:30am-4:30pm at McCormick Distribution Center (29 N. McCormick). Items that will be accepted are diapers, canned goods, non-perishable food and snack items, water and sports drinks.
- Kfor Accepting Salvation Army drop offs.
- OU Equipment 180 West Brooks in Norman
- Memorial Road Church of Chirst 2221 East Memorial road in Edmond
- Net Church of OKC 2200 N Bryant, Oklahoma City (405-427-5600)
- New Direction Ministries 10109 N. Western Avenue (405-242-4692 )
- Choctaw Road Baptist Church Between 8:15 am and 4:15 pm Tuesday and Wednesday. 14971 East Reno, Choctaw (405-390-9002 )
- Mustang Brewing Company Headquarters 520 North Meridian Avenue, Oklahoma City
- Lucky Star Casino, Event Tent EL Reno, Oklahoma (405-422-6500)
- Juice Blendz 1200 West Covell Road in Edmond (405-285-0133)
- The Gate Church is accepting: Water,Sunscreen,Baby Items,Toiletries,Gloves, etc. 7700 North Council Road in Oklahoma City (405-728-7700)
- Journey Church in Norman I-35 & Tecumseh in Norman
- Culver Electric 1823 West 20th in Elk City
- Zimmer Radio Group 2702 East 32nd Street in Joplin, Missouri (417-624-1025)
- 50 Penn Place west entrance. N.W. 50th and Penn West entrance
- Calvary Temple Church 1801 S. Kelly in Edmond
- Integrity Promo 1105 S Fretz Ave. in Edmond
- Science Museum Oklahoma Donation times 9-5 Tuesday – Friday, 9-6 Saturday at 2100 NE 52nd Street in Oklahoma City
- Rose State College in Midwest City 9am to noon in the student center.
- Fusion Fitness and Yoga (405-650-8023) Located at 323 E Main St. in Norman
- Indulge Event Center (405-215-9444) Located at 3116 North Portland Avenue in Oklahoma City
- Cricket Wireless 10:00 am to 7:00pm for the remainder of the week. 4553 NW 23rd Street in Oklahoma City (405-942-0045 option #4)
- Serendipity Salvation Army drop-off 13813 North May in Oklahoma City
- STAY AT HOME MOMS Several stay at home moms collecting whatever you want to bring we will be dropping it off at KFOR: 721 South 6th Street in Chickasha (405-222-8022)
- Watonga Church of the Nazarene accepting non-perishables, blankets, toothpaste, etc. today-Wednesday at 9:00 am at East Highway 33 in Watonga
- How Sweet It Is Red Cross Drop Off 420 E Grant Street in Pauls Valley (405-238-1522)
- OSU Student Union (stillwater) has a donation drop off point.
- OSU Bus Terminal on Hall of Fame (stillwater) is accepting donations as well.
- Donation Jars in Watonga have been placed in many local business.
- Switchblade Skate Co. accepting donations between 1pm and 7pm
- Arctic Edge in Edmond is accepting donations.
Shelter and Others - Red Cross Shelter and Reunification Site St. Andrews Church, SW 119 & S May.
- A triage center has been set up at the Warren Theater in Moore for anyone who need to be treated for their injuries.
- The University of Oklahoma is opening up spaces in Housing for the displaced families! Call us 405-325-2511! - Source
- Housing at OBU (Shawnee), contact Michael Burns at 405-308-7336 -source
- aphoticinullity has one bed available PM for details
- AgentJackBauer has a few room available PM for details
- Graceway Baptist Church, located at 1100 S.W. 104th in Oklahoma City, has opened its door to those affected by the tornado.
- Oakcrest Church of Christ at 1111 S.W. 89th Street in Moore is also open for anyone seeking help.
- Victory Church, located 4300 North MacArthur in Oklahoma City is open for those who need help.
- Journey Church in Norman I-35 and Tecumseh Road is open as a shelter for anyone needing meals and a place to stay.
- Fifth Street Missionary Baptist Church, located at 801 N.E. 5th St. Oklahoma City is also open for those affected.
- Tracy and Holly Porter told News 9 they have 60 acres with barns and pipe fencing just north of Seminole. Anyone needs somewhere to keep their cows and horses, call the Porters at (405)-777-6570 or (405)-921-0204.
- Sonya Martinez said she owns a 125,000 sq ft building at 4300 North MacArthur in Oklahoma City, and is offering services to anyone in need of shelter, food or prayer regarding this tornado.
- Resthaven Funeral Home on S.W. 104th and Western/Walker has water, bathrooms, and phones available for volunteers and victims.
- Cranes or equipment is needed for any tornado damage, the Association of Oklahoma General Contractors can provide equipment now. Contact Bobby Stem, AOGC, at (405)-520-1874.
- Oklahoma insurance Comissioner Doak just said that Oklahoma Baptist University has opened up 160 dorm rooms FREE OF CHARGE for displaced tornado survivors. You're to call the Presidents office or just show up and ask for the presidents office. Here are two numbers. 405-275-2850 or 405-878-2402
- Harvest Norman Campus - 2800 W. Indian Hills Rd. has a shelter setup. Contact Pastor Scotty Haynes at 405-760-7732 or email [email protected]
- LifeChurch.tv South OKC. 7800 S. Walker. I-240 and Walker next to Academy.
- aXvXiA has room available PM for Details.
- jaegfd has space available PM for details.
- Moore Community Center 201 S Howard Moore
- Newcastle Storm Shelter 851 N Carr Newcastle, OK
- Trinity Church of the Nazarene is open as an emergency shelter. It is located at 7301 S. Walker, just on the north side of I-240
- City Rescue Mission has immediate shelter available for anyone who needs it! 405.232.2709 [email protected]
- oklahomaoil has two beedrooms for families near Mustang email at [email protected]
- Blood Drives around the Metro
- Riverwind Casino: Wed, 10 a.m.
- 6 p.m.Lucky Star Casino, Concho: Thurs., 1 - 6 p.m.
- Sugar Creek Casino: Thurs., 1 - 6 p.m.
- SaltCreek Casino: Thurs., 1 - 6 p.m.
- FireLake Bowling Center: Fri., 11 a.m. – 4 p.m.
- Grand Casino: Fri., 1 - 6 p.m.
- Lucky Star Casino, Clinton: Fri., 1 – 6 p.m.
- Remington Park Racetrack & Casino: Fri.,, noon – 5 p.m.
- Kickapoo Casino: Sat., 9 a.m. – 2 p.m
- Newcastle Casino: Sat., noon – 5 p.m.
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OU Student Goverment is getting a group for together for a work 'task' force to help
Pets Looking for missing pets or have found pets you can post in
/missingpetsinmoore or visit
Pet Owners Resource Center - Volunteers with the Central Oklahoma Humane Society are assisting with the transportation of injured animals. They are taking in as many displaced animals as they can, but their facilities are filling up fast. They need financial support to assist their efforts. You can make a donation online and designate it to their Disaster Relief Fund. Call their office at (405)-607-8991 to donate over the phone.
- Benchmark Animal Hospital says any animals that have been affected by the tornado and need shelter or medical attention can call their hospital or drop off the animal for their staff to evaluate and treat them. They have a huge facility and can accommodate a significant amount of animals. They can be reached at (405)-547-8381.
- A triage area for lost and injured pets have been set up at the Moore Home Depot.
- The Animal Resource Center is taking displaced pets (phone# (405)604-2892).
For any body needing a flight in to OKC to help with relief efforts, or needing to leave the OKC to be with family the members of
/INeedAFlight are here to help.They use their own money/miles to help get people where they need to be in times like these.
I will be updating with more groups as the information comes out.
Update 4:55pm If you any of you would like to offer help in some form or fashion (opening up your home, etc.) PM the details and best way to contact and I will add to thread!
Update 6:20 Doesn't seem to be any more information coming in at this time. Please continue to add if you hear of something not listed and I will update the main post at a later time. I am going to step away from the computer and get some food.
Update 7:20pm CDT Reports are coming in that it is safe to drink the water in SE OKC again
Update 7:24pm CDT Please use the hashtag #OKHAVES and #OKNEEDS on twitter to help self-define the changing needs and available of aid. - Thanks
AlTornadoResp Update 7:30pm CDT There is a
Live update Thread - thanks to
herduckyness Update 8:00pm CDT Moore Crisis Map Update 8:47pm CDT Picture and Document Facebook Recovery Site Update 9:00pm CDT I am stepping away from the computer, most likely for the evening. Keep adding stuff in the comments and Stay Safe.
Update May 21st 8:20am CDT I am back and have updated the list with all the new information.
Update May 21st 1:00pm CDT I will most likley not be updating this thread anymore. There is so many groups out there taking donations and so many already listed that I think we are covered. Thank you to all who have helped me by sending me information. We pulled in information from variety of sources and I could not have done it all with out you. As we start to enter into the cleanup/rebuilding phase, I may post a new thread on how you can help. Again Thank You all!
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